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Markers used: mainly Letraset ProMarkers
Paper used: Canson XL Marker -- 70g/m2
I have also used coloured pencils for the flesh tones.
(framing created in Photoshop)
Ink or markers
July 5, 2015, 4:55:09 PM
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TeeJay87 on July 5, 2015, 11:50:50 AM
July 5, 2015, 11:50:50 AM
If that bloke dyed his hair black and replaced glasses with contact lenses, he'd look like Turkish actor Halit Ergenc:
- as Sultan Suleiman the Magnificient (1520-66) in "Muhtesem Yuezil"
- again as Suleiman
Saltwater on July 5, 2015, 12:33:32 PM
July 5, 2015, 12:33:32 PM
You are right, they look very similar,
esp. the nose, and the mouth.
I did not know this actor.
The only turkish actor I know is Tchéky Karyio. :-)
TeeJay87 on July 6, 2015, 3:59:44 AM
July 6, 2015, 3:59:44 AM
I have to admit, I wasn't aware of Ergenc until TVP 1 (our public TV station) started to broadcast "Muhtesem Yuezil" last year.
The series can be described as soap opera happening inside Topkapi palace in Istanbul under reign of Suleiman the Magnificent (1520-66) mixed with politics (inside the Sultan's council called "divan" in Turkish), hard-boiled (episodes, when someone is murdered or assaulted inside Harem), comedy (when chief eunuch fools around the entire palace), 16th century warfare (episodes about siege of Belgrad 1521, attack on Buda 1526, Osman-Persian war and Tartar raids) and drama. But most of the episodes are like "The Beauty and the Bold" settled in 16th Century Turkey instead of California. xD
This show has one advantage though - it's interesting to see the period of king Henry VIII in England and kings from Jagiellon dynasty in Poland from perspective of another nation. :)
alitta2 on July 7, 2015, 4:50:55 PM
July 7, 2015, 4:50:55 PM
Now as you mention, they still broadcast it in Hungary as well on RTL Klub (actually, they started in early 2013, but they cut the length of each episodes, so one time they air only the half of it in favor for the time of commercials :P ).
I also watch the series, but I must admit that some historical scenes are not so detailed (or might I say they're fake), for example the scene where the battle of Mohács (1526, just prior the occupation of Buda) was depicted: King Louis II appears as a fat and arrogant king in his fourties, while in reality, he was only 20 at the time, and he wasn't that arrogant, or at least he didn't even dare to send back the Turkish deputy's head in a jar of honey, as he rather tried to negotiate with Suleiman about a temporary peace treaty due to the lack of funds after the Fuggers denied further financial aid from Louis II (its reason was the secularization of copper mines they had in lease from the king).
Also it is rumoured that he wasn't actually killed on the battlefield like in the series, and not even got drowned into the Csele-creek as it is thought, but he was killed by Count György Szapolyai in the house of parish priest of the village Dunaszekcső, probably in order to make his elder brother János Szapolyai to be crowned, therefore avoiding the Habsburgs to claim the Hungarian throne.
That attempt failed in the end, as he was crowned by vote in Székesfehérvár, however, Ferdinand Habsburg was also crowned by another part of barons and landlords in the meantime, so the former kingdom got split into three parts: the so called Hungarian Kingdom (which technically belonged already to the Habsburg Empire, so it wasn't sovereign) on the West, Transylvania on the East (which could be considered as independent), and after 1526, the so called "Thraldom" on the Center and South, belonging to the Ottoman Empire.
TeeJay87 on July 7, 2015, 10:47:48 PM
July 7, 2015, 10:47:48 PM
I've noticed more historical errors:
- in the episode about siege of Belgrade 1521, the battle scene is depicted in biased way - Turkish easily defeat the Jagiellon forces, without any casualties, despite their opponents wear steel helmets and metal armors; Suleiman's janissaries wear only fabric hats and robes. Apparently it has to be Turkish way in building up their ego;
- Sultan's minister of treasury Iskender Tschelebi is dressed in ancient Assyrian fashion, including his characteristically trimmed beard. If he really looked that way, he seems misplaced inside Osman palace;
- Ruestem Aga, stableman from 3rd season and grand vizier in 4th season, is supposed to stem from Croatia, yet he looks and sounds like typical Turk;
- Ibrahim Pasha (Sultan's closest friend) is called in wrong way - they should call him "Pargali Ibrahim Pasha", since there was another grand vizier in Osman Empire named Ibrahim Pasha (from 19th Century) ;
- some actors and actresses have beauty types not matching 16th Century Turkey at all - Baly Bei (chief of Sultan's secret police in season 2 ) looks like crossover between Tartar and Chinese, Nigar Khalfa (Ibrahim's lover and harem servant) actually looks Mongolian - despite the actress playing her (Filiz Ahmet) is half-Turkish half-Macedonian herself and name "Khalfa" has to refer to "European origin harem slave" , somehow the character isn't looking that convincing.
Timur Savci (director of the series) claims he consulted two historians with doctor of history degree while making the series - either they lied him, or he wasn't paying attention that much towards their advising. ;)
alitta2 on July 9, 2015, 3:36:42 PM
July 9, 2015, 3:36:42 PM
You see, these facts also prove that the series have some surreal elements, or at least they're not close to reality at all :D
Didn't know about the fact that Filiz Ahmet is Half-Macedonian anyway. Might happen that is the reason why she can play Nigar Khalfa's role authentically, as her character also understands a kind of slavic language because she could read the diary of Hurrem's former boyfriend (I guess it was in season 1, or the early episodes of season 2, I don't remember).
TeeJay87 on July 10, 2015, 3:48:34 AM
July 10, 2015, 3:48:34 AM
Nigar Khalfa herself is fictional character, apparently added to show (Pargali) Ibrahim Pasha in bad way. Also the relationship between Roxolana/Huerrem and Hafsa Valide Sultana (Suleiman's mother) isn't based on historical truth - according to trustworthy sources, Suleiman's mother did her best to maintain peace between Huerrem, Mahidevran and the rest of Suleiman's wives, but she never argued with her son as shown in seasons 1 & 2, nor was she plotting behind his back against Huerrem.
Yesterday they showed on our TV the episode from season 1, where Suleiman was hunting with his son Mustafa while the Janissaries made uprising in Constantinople. When I saw Suleiman's hunting rifle, I don't know why but it looked like customized Mauser Gewehr 98 with added flintlock mechanism - 20th century rifle with 18th century action mechanism in 16th century (between 1525 and 1529). Those, who don't know about firearms, won't notice that, but for me it looks like Timur Savci's attempt to fool watchers of his series.
Saltwater on July 13, 2015, 12:37:32 PM
July 13, 2015, 12:37:32 PM
I have not seen the series,
but from what I have read here and there,
it seems that historical accuracy is not their priority, to say the least. .... ;-)
TeeJay87 on July 13, 2015, 9:42:46 PM
July 13, 2015, 9:42:46 PM
The funniest is that even Recep Tajyyp Erdogan (Turkish Prime Minister) complained about historical accuracy of the series, but he limited himself to showing his disappointment with depiction of Suleiman the Magnificent as hedonist. xD
alitta2 on July 13, 2015, 4:00:23 PM
July 13, 2015, 4:00:23 PM
Well, that is true unfortunately.
The problem is that the show rather concentrates on the dramatic storyline, so historical facts aren't that important, otherwise it would be called a documentary series, which definitely wouldn't be the main goal of the creators.
Also, as the series are Turkish-made, the historical view is too one-sided, however, they forget that the rights of broadcasting the series are sold to countries where the Ottoman Empire had influence on their history, just to gently say :D
alitta2 on July 13, 2015, 3:28:59 PM
July 13, 2015, 3:28:59 PM
Well, now I don't remember that ep, but I guess I've seen that rifle in another episode, and it looked weird for me as well, even I didn't think about that could be a modified Kar98, but simply something strange for the era of the plot :D
TeeJay87 on July 13, 2015, 9:40:26 PM
July 13, 2015, 9:40:26 PM
It can't be excluded that Savci made cheap trick from 1960s movies made in Hollywood - by modifying commonly available prop (Turkish variant of Gewehr 98, used in large quantities by Turks in WW1 and WW2) to make it look as something different. xD
Falconlobo on July 5, 2015, 9:59:41 AM
July 5, 2015, 9:59:41 AM
Saltwater on July 5, 2015, 12:16:40 PM
July 5, 2015, 12:16:40 PM
Very big glasses.
That's what hipsters like! :-)
Falconlobo on July 5, 2015, 4:43:19 PM
July 5, 2015, 4:43:19 PM
i have round glasses^^
Saltwater on July 5, 2015, 10:24:59 PM
July 5, 2015, 10:24:59 PM
Like Harry Potter? :-)
Falconlobo on July 6, 2015, 6:51:48 AM
July 6, 2015, 6:51:48 AM
more colord aalmsot like this
Saltwater on July 13, 2015, 12:39:58 PM
July 13, 2015, 12:39:58 PM
Which colour are your spectacles?
Falconlobo on July 13, 2015, 1:25:39 PM
July 13, 2015, 1:25:39 PM
Saltwater on July 13, 2015, 1:30:21 PM
July 13, 2015, 1:30:21 PM
Falconlobo on July 6, 2015, 6:52:20 AM
July 6, 2015, 6:52:20 AM
sorry bad spelling^^
alitta2 on July 7, 2015, 4:53:46 PM
July 7, 2015, 4:53:46 PM
Indeed, there are some characteristics of him identical to Halit Ergenc :D
DarkDragon11 on July 5, 2015, 9:06:32 PM
July 5, 2015, 9:06:32 PM
If Van Gogh was a hipster! lol, totally dig the style!
Saltwater on July 5, 2015, 10:20:13 PM
July 5, 2015, 10:20:13 PM
Finally, someone figured it out …! ;-)