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Civil War

Civil War by _ren_tao_fan_
Civil War by _ren_tao_fan_


I guess we never quite recovered from the Civil War. The North and South are still at odds with one another. We are still a rather divided nation, only now it's not Union and Confederacy, it's Democrats and Republicans.
But I guess President Obama rather inspired me. "It's the answer spoken by young and old, rich and poor, Democrat and Republican, black, white, Latino, Asian, Native American, gay, straight, disabled or not disabled - Americans who sent a message to the world that we have never been a collection of Red States and Blue States: we are, and always will be, the United States of America."
The jury's still out on whether I like America or not, but I'm pretty sure I like Obama.
So, whether we like it or not, through all our disagreements, we are a purple nation, united we stand.

A short message to gamefox: I would like to apologize for my previous submission. It wasn't meant to hurt anyone, and I'm very sorry that it ended up making you angry. (Though, I can't say I blame you.) Please excuse my arrogance and stupidity at the time I had submitted the original.

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gamefox120 on March 7, 2011, 12:32:41 PM

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gamefox120ok ok...
look...I never said that killing non combatant was right
I said basically that Guerrilla warfare takes it toll on the local population.if the terrorist fought us in the open then that would not happen.
in my opinion It does not help this country to dwell on all our mistakes 100% of the time. anyway if you don't mind me asking, what is wrong with America today? in your opinion.

most people will often criticize me and my people for being Blind and pigheaded. in comedy shows like family guy it is not uncommon for our way of life to be the butt end of a cruel joke,and that is just one example.
Its not a bad thing to be proud of your neck of the woods
to maintain its luster and to keep its traditions in humble remembrance. its local color you see,it makes me want to do my best. these towns in Louisiana,these rivers these streams
these lakes these woods where me and my cousin hunt. they aren't just places,they are all that we are. so yeah...I do believe it matters where one lives. and it only seems respectable to give homage to a land that has done much to sustain me. is the color of anger.
a psychological tool to influence emotion. I too have seen the south painted in red on maps. I can understand how you came to your choice of color. it is understandable...
you know... in 1861 the south also wore the blue
but bleached out there uniforms later on. which is why they are gray.
do not be discouraged by my ranting. politics has always been a hot topic. (a dangerous topic as well.)
if you make a political cartoon there is always going to be some one who is going to dislike it. I will solemnly admit that I get a little too worked up over all this, but that is because so many people believe that any one who raises the st.Andrews cross is synonymous with the devil him self.
(which is completely the opposite with me.)
anyway. don't give up I just ask that people actually look into what they comment on. that's all really.

deo vindice BTW did look at that vid?

_ren_tao_fan_ on March 8, 2011, 4:28:53 AM

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_ren_tao_fan_Thank you for being calm. :) And I can understand that you got a little worked up. Most people, include myself, can get pretty angry over politics. But I just find that it's better to argue with a cool head. :)
As for what's wrong with America today... I understand we're not as bad as the Congo or Rwanda, but like I said, I want us to be the best we can be. I'm particularly concerned about civil rights. After all those years of persecution and being forced from their families and sold as slaves, African Americans have gained their freedom... but many people still look down on them and hate crimes still happen. I don't understand how people can be so hateful... and it's not just about blacks. I'm most upset about society's treatment of homosexuals. They are taunted, singled out, bullied in schools, to the point where they just don't want to live anymore. Teen suicide rates are unsettlingly high, and many of those suicides were (or were thought to be) gay. Even if the victim is straight, God forbid they should look/sound girly (if they are a boy) or be somewhat heavyset (if they are a girl) because even then they will get taunted for being "pricks." I can't imagine going to school every day fearful that you'll get shoved in the hallway or insulted behind your back over something that you have no control over. For this behavior I am ashamed of my country. But I believe it can, and will, get better. Women and African Americans worked hard for years to gain their rights, and eventually they were granted them. History is destined to repeat itself.
I am sorry if I insulted your home land or your heritage, because that's never what I meant to do. I'm proud of my homeland as well (even if I AM just some uppity Northerner.) I love my home, my forest, my trees. The pond and the creek, the apple trees and my gardens. I don't think I'd be okay without them, and I definitely wouldn't be the same to day had I grown up without them. Perhaps where one lives dos make a difference in their lives, but I don't think it's right to pass judgement on someone based off of that alone.
And I realize I hadn't looked into the history behind the subject before I drew and posted this picture. But I was young and arrogant, I thought I knew everything. Stupid, stupid me. If not for you, I may have forgotten about this old pic. I never go this far into my gallery anymore. But I owe you my thanks. Now I can remove this picture (or, preferably, replace it with a different one.)
Haha... sorry for all this text.
And, yes, I looked at the video. But I'm not quite sure what it meant.

gamefox120 on March 9, 2011, 2:01:59 PM

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gamefox120The point I was was trying to make with my vid is that the south is not as Racist as one would think. not anymore racist than anyone in the north ,whether by design or not.
there were many free black men fighting for southern independence. meaning that the relation ship between blacks and whites was not as strained back then(granted there were still whites who thought of themselves superior every where it the country at that point). it wasn't until after reconstruction that racism and mistrust was the norm
Slavery in America was not as much oppression as it was a system. a system that was on its way out the door. Brazil and the town of Confederato are a testament of what could have been if the south had won the civil war.there were also black slave owners who owned slaves. not to mention many Cherokee owned slaves too.
In contrast the Lincoln administration Deported many of the Norths black population back to Africa with the apprenticeship act.

You know... I was the target of many bullies when I was in school. Im no stranger to that at all changed though when I decided to stand up for my self(sounds corny I know)I Choked one of them out in a wrestling match. He wanted to fight after that but his friends talked him out of it. But EVERYONE stopped picking on me after I proved how dangerous I was at Dodgeball lol.(sorry don't mean to brag)Its Tragic about the suicides. but it is up to a individual to decide whether he/she is really worth it.
I don't think your going to have to worry to much about blacks or woman's rights. Sarah Palin could run president soon
as well as Hillary

_ren_tao_fan_ on March 10, 2011, 4:32:23 AM

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_ren_tao_fan_I know that the South isn't by any means the only place racist people could (or can) be found. They are and have always been everywhere in the country. I'm not too worried about the rights of African Americans, they worked so hard to gain them and I don't think they're about to lose them (not to mention I can't think of any prominent political figure who wants to take them away.) What I worry about is the widespread, blatantly untrue image that many people have of blacks. I despise stereotypes, and I know you do too. But, I guess stereotypes exist for all kinds of people, not just African Americans. It angers me that people think an entire group of people can be generalized like that.
Way to go for sticking up for yourself. :) I was bullied in school too. It got to the point where my parents wanted to move me to a different school (which, due to my strong refusal, didn't happen, and probably wouldn't have solved the problem anyway. Bullies are everywhere.) I wanted to fight back but was too afraid to. Any time I shot back a retort at them, they would only laugh at me, and I definitely was in no shape to beat anyone up. (I've always been quite small.) So I took to ignoring them. Any time they would yell some taunt to me in the hall, I would walk right by without even glancing at them. Incredibly, it worked. I'm happy to have found a peaceful solution to the problem, and no one bothers me anymore. :D
I guess you're right, it's up to the individual to make that decision for themself. But the problem isn't with the individual, it's with their tormenters. Gays don't just have to deal with the standard getting-shoved-into-a-locker routine, they must deal with constant, day-to-day namecalling, unkind looks, taunts, and have reason to fear for their very lives as well. Hate crimes against gays happen all the time. Notto mention, should the individual in quesion come out to his or her parents, it's not unheard of for them to disown their child. Many are so afraid of this that they constanly hide their true selves and work hard to maintain a constant facade. This, I believe, is the most horrible thing about America: this ever-present, meaningless fear which causes us to turn against and punish our own innocent citizens. It's been done to women, and they overcame it. It's been done to blacks, and they overcame it. Now we've found a new group to strike out against. My one hopeful point in all this is that history shall repeat and gays will overcome, too.

gamefox120 on March 14, 2011, 1:34:24 AM

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gamefox120Im Glad to hear your success story.^^

Im going to be brutally honest and you'll probably hate me for it but. In my Opinion Homosexuality is a weakness, not a strength. what good could come of it? Its cultural suicide.
Your blood line ends there in that Gay relation ship. yeah you can adopt a child (and thats a good thing) but its not your true lineage.It is the destruction of the Ideal family.
STDs run rampant in that community, you see its not the People I am against it is the effects of the sin I am against. the root of the problem is the practice.let me tell you a quick little story... my aunt used to live in California. she once talked about how she got trapped in Gay pride parade when she was driving home. there were naked men running around and all kinds of other sick behavior,and one thing she noticed was that there were little kids at this thing.its that kind of stuff I don't like.the lack of decency...I know not all gays are like that but it still gives me little choice of stance.
there was only one homosexual kid at my high school.everybody liked him,funny guy. but he turned straight the year I graduated,this reveals to me that sexual orientation is choice. your not born with it.
its about influences and an individual's decision.
in a nut shell I don't hate em but you cant expect me to fight for them either.

ps thanks for the comment on macinterre

_ren_tao_fan_ on March 18, 2011, 5:47:30 AM

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_ren_tao_fan_Yes, I understand how you could think that way. Haha. Of course I don't hate you for it. You're entitled to your own opinion, after all.
STDs are not restricted to gays. Straight people also get HIV and AIDS, you're not safe from those diseases if you're straight. The best way to prevent catching those diseases isn't to be straight but to practice safe sex: use protection, don't do it with people you hardly know, etc.
The Ideal Family has been destroyed many times. The ideal family used to be a businessman husband and a smiling housewife who took care of the children. Now, what with the women's movement and all, women are now in the workplace and therefore what was once the ideal family is almost nonexistant now. You see? The ideal family is very different than it once was and, in fact, the very idea of the "ideal family" changes with the times.
It's true that homosexual couples cannot reproduce. Not with each other, at least. I don't see the problem with adopting a child, but if a couple really wanted a baby of their own, they could utilize the services of a surrogate mother or, if it's a lesbian couple, artificial insemenation. The child will only share blood with one half of the couple, but that's the sacrifice that must be made.
Right, yes, because I'm sure it happens all the time that people wake up in the morning and say to themselves, "You know what? I think I'll become a part of an oppressed minority today." I don't think it has anything to do with choice, other than the fact that you can suppress your homosexuality and pretend to be straight if you want to, or if you need to. I think I can safely assume that you are straight. Do you choose to get turned on at the sight of a hot woman? That isn't a choice you make, it's something that happens naturally and automatically. So do you think you could choose to get turned on by the sight of a hot man? No, sir. It's the way your body works. You're straight, so you're attracted to members of the opposite sex. Not everyone works the same. And it definitely can change in your lifetime, usually when you're a teen, because your body is still changing and your sexual organs are just starting to boot up and develop.
Naked men running around? Sounds good to me. (Kidding!) Gays are generally less sexually repressed than most other people, and that's taking it to an extreme, definitely. But to draw a conclusion based off that isn't right. Not all gay people are like that, as you said, and such behaviour definitely isn't encouraged in your average everyday circle of gays.

gamefox120 on March 3, 2011, 2:24:49 PM

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gamefox120what load of crap.
Ill have you know that the confederacy was fighting for states rights. slavery wasn't an issue until after the war had started. it is a romantic notion that people believe today
(and a way for northerners to clean their hands of the atrocities of Sherman and the buffalo soldiers)
Stonewall Jackson was against slavery and Robert E. Lee let all his fathers slaves go BEFORE the war. we really are no more evil than the Revolutionaries of 1779.
so please do some F'n research.

a person who worships a prick in an anime couldnt even reach there hands around my throat.
Deo vindice

_ren_tao_fan_ on March 4, 2011, 4:13:16 AM

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_ren_tao_fan_Wow. Old picture is old. I don't really care about this sh*t anymore. Everyone's a bad guy in war, is how I see it now.
Worship Ren? Haha. Ha. That's funny.

gamefox120 on March 6, 2011, 2:13:56 AM

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gamefox120doesn't matter how old your little misconception is.
Its still here.
every one is a "bad guy" in war huh? so my great uncle who stormed the beach of Normandy, fought the Nazi's and lost 3 of his best friends in the a "Bad Guy"...
George Washington who led this country to a"bad guy"...
you stupid ...its these "Bad guys" who prevent a Bomb from being Dropped on your F'n house.
you take your freedom for granted
course you'll read this and shrug it off. go back to watching Naruto or some other piece of crap.
P.S. Funny because it's true.

_ren_tao_fan_ on March 6, 2011, 7:25:10 AM

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_ren_tao_fan_Hm. Perhaps I should have worded that differently.
How's this: Every side is the bad guy. Every nation, who sends its soldiers off to capture, torture, and kill the men and have their way with the women of the opposing country, is the villain. There are heroes of the battlefield who will risk their own lives to save those of their comrades. But for every hero, there is a violent man who will ruthlessly slay soldier and civilian alike just because they belong to the "bad" side.
Generally, I just frown on war in general. I can understand a fight for freedom, nut what exactly are we fighting for now? Because a few terrorists flew a plane into a building. Why? As I understand it, they did it because America is not a Muslim nation, and that angers them. We are fighting over the same thing people have been fighting over for centuries: a difference in belief. And that is the most pointless thing in the world to fight over.
Hoho. I love how you keep throwing anime into this, even though it has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic. I don't watch Naruto, by the way. I tried before, but I could never get into it. Never liked it much.
And I'm not going to get into an argument with you on whether or not I "worship" Ren, because you don't know the first thing about me and therefore you are in no position to make such accusations. I know the truth about me. It matters not to me whether you do.

gamefox120 on March 6, 2011, 12:38:36 PM

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gamefox120I do not think war is good thing. but it is necessary sometimes,especially when the world has shrunk like it has. no one is immune to causing/demonstrating violence you showed me that already, a true man/woman of peace would never talk of butchering some one,no matter how real or fake. and as far as 9/11 is concerned you need to show some God damn respect.
you speak of it as if it were a minor thing. Life is not Black and white there is no Good guy or bad guy in war,
Both sides have wives, sons, daughters ,mothers ,fathers. both fight to protect their own. Guerrilla warfare has made civilians a target. the Radical Muslims blend in and our boys are constantly scared to death that the next harmless looking person walking by could be a suicide bomber. imagine living in a world like that. it would be hard not to accidentally shoot an innocent. that is the case in Iraq.
as far as the anime buisness goes if it walks like a duck talks like a duck....its a duck.

I do know you have little regaurd for history
and that's the first thing I know about you.
excuse me for the wall of text
Deo Vindice

_ren_tao_fan_ on March 6, 2011, 11:45:34 PM

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_ren_tao_fan_Yes. I used to have a much more violent mind than I have now. I know that, and I'm not proud of it. But that's not what I'm like anymore.
And I'm not trying to disrespect those who died in 9/11. I'm trying to think of WHY we're fighting. It seems to be a war over religion, at least it is for them. We're just fighting because they hit us first, so we have to hit them back. Self-defense, I suppose.
So it's old-fashioned paranoia that causes innocents suffer? Oh. That makes a lot more sense. You mean like how pretty much every Arab-American is stopped and checked before being allowed on a plane, for no reason other than they happen to be that ethnicity? Oh. Okay.
And I'm pretty sure "ducks" talk like this: omg liek u r so meen!!!!!!!! im not ur frend nymaor!!!!!!! lol jk so kawaii ^^
Little regard for history? That may be true, sir, but that can always change. I still go to school and I learn more about American history every day. Right now I dn't hold our nation in very high regard due to the atrocities we have committed in the past. They will be hard for me to forget, and sometimes, truth be told, I'm ashamed to be an American.
It's the first thing you know about me, and because of it, you hate me. That's okay. I do wish we could have started this conversation in a more civilized manner, instead of you coming here and calling my picture crap. That kind of hurt. But it's okay. If that's how you argue, that's your way and I won't stop you. You argue your way, I'll argue mine, and we'll see how it all turns out in the end.

gamefox120 on March 7, 2011, 2:30:50 AM

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gamefox120what would you do if an assailant killed some one you loved in cold blood? would you just sit there pick up the pieces and not do anything about it? or would you call the police like any one else?
paranoia? wrong it is the very essence of fear. In a place where you are constantly being ambushed.
My friend is over there. he's often told me about this climate. its horrible but what can one do? you act like they take pleasure in killing people. but truth be told it weighs down on the lot of them.
going to school is not enough anymore. to really learn something about history one must dig deeper and find information on the certain subject. find people who have dedicated their own lives to that subject. My mother has for the last 20 years painstakingly found bits and pieces of our own heritage.many other of my relatives have done the same. to know history like it truly happened, one must have that drive and love for history.
simply getting the "overview" in school isn't enough in my opinion.
have you ever been out side of the country? you say that your ashamed to be an American.but I bet you'd be singing a different tune if you had been in Rwanda or the Congo like one of my other are comfortable and well fed I presume. what have you really got to complain about.
and here we go...
Civilized huh? I bet you think I'm some country bumpkin or something ( I bet your from the north some were). I said your message is crap because its not the truth and really its kind of a slap in the face to me.
you even put the confederate guy in red. they wore butternut gray!!! and hows about you draw another panel showing what some of Sherman's men did during his march to the sea. that would be one hell of a political cartoon...

btw pleases watch this:

_ren_tao_fan_ on March 7, 2011, 5:30:43 AM

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_ren_tao_fan_I know they don't take pleasure in killing people. Few people do. But just because they don't take pleasure in it, doesn't make it right.
And you're right. School does teach you much, much less than what actually happened. (Hence this drawing.) I was and am still sorely mistaken about what actually happened during the Civil War because all I know of it is what I'd been taught in Middle School. I wrongly accepted what little I'd been taught as the truth, and because of that I managed to offend you. For that I am sorry, really I am. But I can't undo my past mistakes. All I can do is move forward and learn more so I don't repeat them.
I agree that America, compared to many, many other places, is a great place to live. But that doesn't mean it doesn't have its flaws as well. Being an American, I want my country to be the best it can be. It can be much better and I realize it may take time to get there. But I feel about America the same way I feel about myself: I want to keep trying to be great, but all my past wrongdoings really stand out in my head. I can't forget them, I'm ashamed of them, I kick myself all the time over them. But at the same time, I think I should take the opportunity to learn from them. It's just that, out of all America's mistakes, I don't think she's learning much.
Haha. You don't have to make such assumptions. I really haven't thought about and don't care where you live. What difference does it make, anyway?
I put the Confederate guy in red, not because I thought that's what color their uniforms were, but because on a lot of Civil War maps, the slave states were colored red, and the free states blue. And I guess political cartoons aren't really my thing after all. No matter what I draw, someone will get offended. And I don't like starting fights. (Unless, of course, I could draw a cartoon about what's happening now. That might be nice.)
Well. I slapped you in the face, did I? And you slapped me back. There we go.